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Since we’ve got a couple of new people, I’ll say this: There are some spoilers for everything up to now included in this.
Ok, so it’s been a while since I talked about plans for the future, so I thought I’d give a bit of an update.
I sort of got carried away writing OUB, so I stalled on MF edits (I was also looking for excuses to procrastinate, but more on that in a minute).
In a nutshell: I intend to serialise the ebook releases.
Cracking the nut: I don’t write fast enough to release several novels a year (at least I won’t until I can write full time, which this will help with), and I loathe the idea of my backlist only gaining by like one book a year (and a couple of short stories, maybe), so I intend to serialise.
No, not one chapter per ebook, that’s just stupid and will piss so many people off it’s not funny (and apparently Amazon doesn’t like the idea). What I’ll be doing is cutting each book into like 10k word chunks (may be more, will not be less, I intend to maintain value for money). This will give me more time to edit each book, as I’m only dedicating myself to one a month.
And it will be one episode a month, which will definitely help gain and maintain a new set of readers – there’ll be “buy Mirrorfall day” each month, and it’ll be something they can look forward to, and it’ll be the only thing resembling a scheduled update that we’ll ever have. :P
Content will stay here, and I’ll keep releasing here, so you won’t suffer for having been long-term fans (or short-term, but-longer-than-newbie fans).
So basically, one a month new ebooks, starting with MF, in 10k-ish chunks, edited and all pretty and etc, with new, draft content going up here at the same erratic schedule you’re all used to. This works, because I don’t want to stop writing new stuff, and sometimes things need to just sit for a while before I can go back to them and actually tweak them.
On that subject, MF won’t have the substantive edit that I was always talking about, upon rereading it, I actually don’t hate it as much as I thought, but it will be streamlined a bit – mainly giving Curt a bit more screen time and removing the Enid pseudo-subplot as it never went anywhere – I had intended to do something with it, but it didn’t eventuate, so I’d rather cut it than leave it hanging. I will probably recycle that stuff into a standalone novella to explore Madchester a bit.
Doing that also cuts Madchester out of MH, which will allow for a bit more Court of the Lost stuff, so it feels more together, and Hook won’t quite come out of nowhere at the end like he does now.
MH needed a bit of an overhaul, but it will largely be the same book, just include more Lost stuff, delve a bit more into Ryan a bit.
MS…edits here and there, but there’s nothing major that needs changing.
GE…I’m not going to say nuke from orbit, but I will say that you’ll need to read it, since it will be very different to what’s there at the moment. Hell, my plan at the moment is to frontload it with a three (number subject to change) episode block of Maggie backstory, rather than sprinkling the flashbacks throughout, plus now some of that history (which I was going to save for her next book) will now be relevant to GE. And that makes no sense, come back and read this in a couple of years, and you’ll totally know what I mean.
OUB…I haven’t even finished the first draft, give me a break. :P
So far, no one has managed to really serialise in this fashion with ebooks – the general feeling that I’ve managed to see when other people have brought it up is something along the lines of: people don’t want to buy “part of a book” when they can buy a whole book. There’s a couple of ways in which I think I can make this work for us.
The MV really is meant to be consumed in a serial format, it’s how it’s written, it’s how it’s been read up until now, sure, you can archive binge, but you know once you’re done with the archive binge, you’ll be stuck waiting for the author to get off her butt and write the next chapter.
[Seriously: has anyone here just read the complete books and then come back when the next book has finished? Or may you started with that idea, but got sucked in and read everything that was up?]
So pretty much the fact that’s rather addicting will work in our favour. :D
I tested myself with this, with a few books I’ve bought on the Kindle. Read a section, ask myself if I’d pay 99c to get the next chunk – most of the time, even if it’s a book I wouldn’t rate as five stars, or four stars – I’ve read some crappy YA PR that yeah, I’d pay to keep reading. >_>
(And how many people would have willingly paid for 99c of each chunk of the latest ASOIAF book, instead of waiting however many years for George RR Martin to finish it? I’m not comparing myself, I’m just saying some of you used to threaten me with various weapons when I didn’t get updates out >_>).
I also don’t conceive the series as separate books, not so much. I mean, obviously there are distinct books within the series, but it’s all character based which is why it’s so malleable - hence why we’re essentially getting book #7 now, because I can fsck with the timeline like that, other authors I think would have a harder time because their books are designed as whole things, even if they are part of a series (if that makes sense, I’m only an author, I’m not supposed to be eloquent >_>).
It would also allow me to take diversions, say it’s a Stef/Ryan/Curt plot, and not an Angelpie plot, but I wanted to do something with Mags and Taylor, I can do an Angelpie episode, then jump back into the main plot. Or a Parkers episode. Or anything I want. With this format, it feels a lot easier to divert, but that could just be me. (I can also do these as standalones, and just mark when in the timeline they come, if for some reason there needs to be a break from the main plot, and/or filler between books).
Compilations will obviously be available after the episodic versions have finished releasing – so for the people who will inevitably complaint that they don’t want to buy bits of a book, or feel ripped off because they’re paying like 10x99c, they’ll be able to buy the completed volumes for $2.99 (standalones will remain 99c, only some will be collected, but we’ll sell those bridges when we get to it).
My plan at the moment:
Release Ep 1 of Mirrorfall on Stef’s birthday, the 13th of October. Release it for free.
Reelase the rest of the MF episodes (also for free) in a weekly format to frontload the fanbase, and so they’re eased into the idea of having to wait for their next cookie-laden instalment.
That will put us in December, so release a Cookiemas special.
Release Ep 1 of MH on January 13, for 99c. Release monthly from then, for 99c.
Somewhere in the Christmas period, put together the MF compilation edition and Createspace (dead tree version) edition.
Approximately:
2012 will be MH.
2013 will be MS.
2014 will be GE.
2015 will be OUB.
I know that sounds like a scary long time in the future, so we’ll see what we can do about increasing the schedule – if I can make enough money off this to do it full-time, then it will automatically increase, but I may also release extra episodes for meeting certain goals (we get out 10k’th like on FB, we reach comment 100k on RC, I sell certain numbers of books [it’ll be like sales Kiribans, instead of views]).
I think it would be silly though, to move it to more than a bi-weekly schedule, unless I work up, like a year’s worth of backlog so I can be sure to maintain it. (*calculates, that’s 26 episodes, 260k words at least* *is scared*).
I’ve also got cover woes, but since this is already as long as a chapter, I’ll talk about that later.
Questions to you:
*Do you like the episode idea?
*Do you hate the episode idea?
*Do you think it’ll work? Why?
*Do you think it’ll fail? Why?
*Is 10k sufficient value-for-money?
*Will you be buying the episode (intention to buy, even when finances may not permit counts as a yes)?
*Any other thoughts/queries/comments/cookies/etc.
*yes
*no
*maybe, because the stories are, as you said, addictive, and more frequent releases will reduce the chances of people forgetting about them before the next one
*maybe, because people may prefer to stick with the free website versions and wait for the substantially discounted compilations
*yes
*yes, but maybe only those that have new content
*cookies! I think that if each book really is 10 episodes x99¢ you can probably still sell the compilations if they're priced at ~$5-7. You'd make more money from each sale and there would be somewhat less motivation for people to wait for them instead of buying the episodes. You can always drop the price, or run a temporary sale to encourage new readers to pick it up when the next one is released.
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Do you think it’ll work? Why?
maybe, because the stories are, as you said, addictive, and more frequent releases will reduce the chances of people forgetting about them before the next one
Plus, links in the back of each will encourage them to +like Facebook, so they'll get reminders in their feed when each new one is released and/or I'll put a countdown timer on the site.
Do you think it’ll fail? Why?
maybe, because people may prefer to stick with the free website versions and wait for the substantially discounted compilations
True, but then they'll still buy the compilations, and it doesn't actually lose me a sale.
I mean, unless this idea actually offends someone to the point of deciding not to buy from me because of it (like "OMG she's just trying to extort money out of me!" then any sales I make of the episodes is just a bonus, really, and lets people get their fix quicker).
Will you be buying the episode (intention to buy, even when finances may not permit counts as a yes)?
yes, but maybe only those that have new content
I'll be sure to mark those ones carefully. :)
Any other thoughts/queries/comments/cookies/etc.
cookies! I think that if each book really is 10 episodes x99¢ you can probably still sell the compilations if they're priced at ~$5-7. You'd make more money from each sale and there would be somewhat less motivation for people to wait for them instead of buying the episodes. You can always drop the price, or run a temporary sale to encourage new readers to pick it up when the next one is released.
I'm pretty set on the 99c/$2.99 thing - for a couple of reasons. People take chances on 99c that some don't on free, and some on $2.99 that people won't on 99c (it's weird, but there are these observeable trends).
I'll be making no attempt to hide the fact that the compilations will be cheaper, so people will have the clear opportunity to decide to buy each episode, or wait (I'll have an approx schedule up once I start doing this), but like I said, I think the cracky nature of the series works well for this.
The apparent deep-discount on the compilation is really that some people won't buy over that price - they baulk at the idea of paying $4/$5 for a book but will buy a dozen at $2.99, and compilations are always cheaper - you can buy six issues of a comic for like...let's say $30, but when it comes to the trade paperback edition of the same comics, it's like $15/$20.
Like I said, unless I offend someone out of being a reader by doing this, I can't really see a downside.
When I advertise and promote, I'll be promoting the compilations - the compilations will be the ones I'll give away for free in giveaways, LibraryThing, Good Reads etc, and I'll let people find the episodes through that (well, that's my plan at the moment, like everything MV, it's subject to change).
Reality is a formality.
I will have a more comprehensive analysis after work. (Stupid 2 a.m. shift)
...be ok. Just make sure you don't start hallucinating, and you'll be all right, and if you do hallucinate, make sure it's something helpful.
Reality is a formality.
While I would love to say I hallucinated something MV-related, that would be a lie. I did wind up having to stay an extra 2 hours (making it a 10-hour shift today *scowl*) but that's ok because that's 2 extra hours of pay.
As for the questions you posed, I think the whole thing is a great idea. I'm too tired to enumerate my thoughts completely, but I do think the 10k is decent value, and I can already think of at least one person (possibly more) that I'll be able to get into the MV as soon as some content is available in ebook form. I'm not sure why he'll be more likely to read it there than on the site, given he's on the internet most of the day anyway, but hey, at least this way he'll be supporting you financially.
Personally, I'll probably wind up purchasing the ebook versions just so I can have a handy reference on my phone to help me when I'm trying to explain things to other people. Besides, it'll make an excellent excuse to re-read everything, and I will enjoy seeing the differences between site version and official version.
Looking back over this, it becomes clear that my vocabulary expands when I'm tired (or more accurately, I use more of my existing vocabulary). Odd. For some reason though, I don't think I could fall asleep if I tried, even though I'm exhausted. I really should stop before I wander off into uncharted territory though . . . this is not the place for that, the off-topic board is . . .
*randomly throws cookies at everybody*
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist ;)
While I would love to say I hallucinated something MV-related, that would be a lie. I did wind up having to stay an extra 2 hours (making it a 10-hour shift today *scowl*) but that's ok because that's 2 extra hours of pay.
Overtime is awesome. I never get it, because I can only work set hours (it's one of the cons of temping, on the other hand, they can't expect me to stay late and eat up my afternoon, which means more time to write and whatnot).
As for the questions you posed, I think the whole thing is a great idea. I'm too tired to enumerate my thoughts completely, but I do think the 10k is decent value, and I can already think of at least one person (possibly more) that I'll be able to get into the MV as soon as some content is available in ebook form.
10k is as low as I'll go, as I've split it up at the moment, most are like 11/12k, and one is 18k...which is problematic, so I'll have to split that better, or write something more.
And I'm making an effort to look for natural splits - make it a good mix of cliffhangers (the first ep will probably end with Ryan pulling the gun on Stef in the mansion), and natural winding-down moments (not sure if it is one, but like after the phoenix moon, that's a nice little "the action's done for now, take a break" moment).
I'm not sure why he'll be more likely to read it there than on the site, given he's on the internet most of the day anyway, but hey, at least this way he'll be supporting you financially.
I tend to read a lot more ebooks than I do serials, since I do most of my reading on the train, or at lunch. >_>
Personally, I'll probably wind up purchasing the ebook versions just so I can have a handy reference on my phone to help me when I'm trying to explain things to other people. Besides, it'll make an excellent excuse to re-read everything, and I will enjoy seeing the differences between site version and official version.
As they go up, I'll be making an effort to go back through and adding notes to each existing draft chapter (probably at the moment, and mark it as edited/close/little different/this chapter no longer exists sort of thing) so people can get an idea of what's different and what's not.
[Which raises a separate question, should I upload the new versions here, so they can be read for free as well, or should I just leave it as the drafts?]
*randomly throws cookies at everybody*
OM NOM NOM
Reality is a formality.
Leave it as just the drafts online. One of the other serials I (used to) read is doing the same kind of thing. At least, I think it is, it might have changed since I last looked in on it. I'm not sure how well it's working for the author, but I know the community built up around that work (which is almost as quirky as ours here :P) seemed to enjoy it.
Link (Warning: the serial I'm referring to is very NSFW):
http://www.meilinmiranda.com/history
She's putting it back up on her site. I was tempted to buy the ebook, up until the point where I could get it for free on the site, albeit slowly. Then I got bored and didn't read it at all.
Moral being, leave the cool new stuff up only in pay form, to tempt people to pay. Have a link on here, too so people can buy it without hunting :)
I'd definitely buy it, wish more awesome webnovels would do this, I like reading on my kindle.
As others have said: make it SUPER clear what they're buying. Oh, and I've bought short stories before, accidentally, and only been disappointed if they were crap. The good ones left me just wanting mooaaarrr! :D
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
Moral being, leave the cool new stuff up only in pay form, to tempt people to pay. Have a link on here, too so people can buy it without hunting :)
I'm going to integrate stuff as much as I can without being obnoxious. I want it to be easy for people to buy or read, whichever way they want, I don't care, the money will come, I just want the fans to begin with. :D
I'd definitely buy it, wish more awesome webnovels would do this, I like reading on my kindle.
Do you have a Kindle-Kindle, or one of the apps? (I keep umming and ahhing over actually buying a Kindle, cause I love the app so much, and it's so convenient to use, but I feel like, if I'm doing this, I should actually get a Kindle somewhere along the line. Plus it means getting to unbox tech, and there's few things better than that :D).
As others have said: make it SUPER clear what they're buying.
Several times in several different ways, I won't leave room for misunderstanding.
Reality is a formality.
I loooooove it. It's so much better than a book. (though I admit to buying the occasional book, for the book-ness, I always hate the reading of them since the kindle, because they're so big and blocky and irritating in comparison).
Plus I don't need a laptop or fancy phone to read stuff ^_^
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
I loooooove it. It's so much better than a book. (though I admit to buying the occasional book, for the book-ness, I always hate the reading of them since the kindle, because they're so big and blocky and irritating in comparison).
I mostly buy books now when I know other people will want to read them (my boy doesn't like to read off a screen), or when I want to be able to display them, be assured of their survival through all tech dying, when I want to support an author, or when they're a genuinely well-put-together looking package (colour inserts, hardcovers, etc).
But I so want a Kindle anyway (I just keep holding off cause I know they're going to release something new later in the year, and that may cause another price drop), and one of the gorgeous Oberon covers. :D
Plus I don't need a laptop or fancy phone to read stuff ^_^
I love my fancy phone!
(Maybe a TMI note, but my smartphone has done a small miracle with my anxiety, just with this one aspect of my life. It's my phone, my mp3 player, my email and my books - now I know if there's music in my ears, I know where all of that stuff is, and I don't have to go digging through my bag, paranoid that I've left one of 3/4/5 items behind at work/on a train/etc).
Reality is a formality.
I do not get on with them - they tend to not have buttons and I LIKE buttons :P I'll probably give in eventually, I need the internet to keep in touch with too many people now.
Wait, what topic was this? Oh, right, ebooks ^_^ Kindle is nice, it is tiny and can fit into my laptop bag and has about two weeks of charge after a year of hard use. So yeah, ebooks ftw - I was almost to needing to shove a webnovel into word so I could have it on my kindle cos the laptop keeps running out of charge -_-
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
MeiLin, a synonym for NSFW. :P
I dunno, I just know I'll feel sorta bad for only leaving the unedited versions up. I know it encourages people to buy...so I'll have to get over it. *noms on a cookie*
Reality is a formality.
*Do you like the episode idea?
Yes. It makes perfect sense. Your stories are designed with serialization in mind, so that fits.
*Do you hate the episode idea?
Not at all.
*Do you think it’ll work? Why?
I think it'll work. You're pretty much reaching into all the possible types of readers: webfic readers (with the draft blog), short story readers (with the serials), and novel readers who want it all at once. And you have nice covers that fit the content.
*Do you think it’ll fail? Why?
No.
*Is 10k sufficient value-for-money?
Definitely.
*Will you be buying the episode (intention to buy, even when finances may not permit counts as a yes)?
Hm. I'm more inclined to wait for the full book, myself, but that's due to tight finances. If I had the money for it, I'd probably go ahead and buy the serials.
*Any other thoughts/queries/comments/cookies/etc.
The main issue I can think of is that you'll need a cover for each month, but perhaps you could take the full book cover and clearly mark it that it's "1 of x".
Also, you'll need to be careful to mark the individual sections as parts of a serial, in the title and in the story description. Not all readers pay attention to what they're getting, and you don't want them to give you 1-star reviews because they didn't get what they thought they were getting.
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Yes. It makes perfect sense. Your stories are designed with serialization in mind, so that fits.
I mean, I can understand why it hasn't worked for other people - they've either tried the one-chapter-at-a-time thing or chopped up novels into artificial pieces in order to make their back catalogue bigger.
I mean, I'm doing that too, but somehow I feel more justified in doing it?
(And arrogance on this point, but I think I have to be one of the longer-running series that are out, most people are doing a trilogy or something, so I've got the series length to keep this going. *shrug*).
I think it'll work. You're pretty much reaching into all the possible types of readers: webfic readers (with the draft blog), short story readers (with the serials), and novel readers who want it all at once. And you have nice covers that fit the content.
And I'll also catch both the 99c people, with the episodes and the people who won't buy anything under $2.99. :D I get to cross-contaminate the market.
Hm. I'm more inclined to wait for the full book, myself, but that's due to tight finances. If I had the money for it, I'd probably go ahead and buy the serials.
:D
The main issue I can think of is that you'll need a cover for each month, but perhaps you could take the full book cover and clearly mark it that it's "1 of x".
The cover thing I totally have an idea for - I'll do another post on that later, I have the general idea down, though, and I think it can work.
Also, you'll need to be careful to mark the individual sections as parts of a serial, in the title and in the story description. Not all readers pay attention to what they're getting, and you don't want them to give you 1-star reviews because they didn't get what they thought they were getting.
Oh, totally.
In scratch form, it'll probably be something like:
: - Episode X/X
And I'll get together standardised wordage to describe that it's part of a serial, point out the next/previous episodes, and update the compilation edition once that is released.
Reality is a formality.
The price and volume of the episodes sound just about perfect. I wont be buying them because I'm a cheap bastard, but it is definetly the sort of thing other folks buy. Might pick up the books for archive binging though.
On the issue of whether or not to update the online material, I'd suggest not. Except for any big changes that might seriously impair the understanding of the plot for the free-readers, of course.
The price and volume of the episodes sound just about perfect. I wont be buying them because I'm a cheap bastard, but it is definetly the sort of thing other folks buy. Might pick up the books for archive binging though.
I think they may catch the weird-subset of people who like to read serialised stuff, but who won't read things online (like people who'll pick up a manga magazine like Shoenen Jump, but won't read webcomics), and there are also a lot people who buy ebooks who don't read fiction online. :)
On the issue of whether or not to update the online material, I'd suggest not. Except for any big changes that might seriously impair the understanding of the plot for the free-readers, of course.
My problem is that I don't want the free readers to have an inferior experience just because they're not handing over $$$.
I got into this to write, and while my goal is still to make enough to write full time, but I wouldn't have even what I have today if I hadn't given it away free in the first place, and I believe in the free model, I really do.
I think I will release the new/edited chapters for free, because even some of the subtle differences that are getting put in will have ripple effects, or tie things in more neatly than they did before, so even to people who've read it before, some sections are going to feel completely new (and that's not including the stuff that is just completely new :P).
And it seems pointless to do it half-assed, it should be an all or nothing thing, and given how different MH and GE are going to be, I think it's going to have to be "all".
Reality is a formality.
I would be concerned about the sample size. Being that small its not going to be much of a preview. You did say say you had planned on offering the first one free, but I also recall you mentioning that people are less likely to read something off amazon that is free than something that is ~$0.99. Can you set the size of the sample? That way you could bundle the first and second ones together and have the first offered as the sample?
I mention this because right now I am having trouble deciding if I want to buy a $0.99 book based of the sample, because it doesn't tell me enough about the book.
Does this mean you are going to have to come up with a new cover for every segment? o.O
*Do you like the episode idea?
- Yes. Your stories are the best (or worst depending on how you view it) kind of addictive which causes me to click the next chapter link before I have even realised what I am doing. This is part of why I often don't comment on every chapter. If I've been away for a little bit and there is a few new chapters my brain won't let me pause until I've read all of the new stuff.
*Do you hate the episode idea?
- Only if there was no option to buy the book once all of the chapters had been released.
*Do you think it’ll work? Why?
- I think it will work as you have a pretty good following already and you have given quite a lot to us all with no expectation of reward. I pay dollars for my video games and books and DVDs, etc., so I am more than happy to pay for the fun-times I am having here. I also like that unlike when I buy the other things, my money is going to the creator directly.
*Do you think it’ll fail? Why?
- I don't think it will fail, but possible reasons it may not be as successful and we might hope could be the general feeling of entitlement that people have when reading/using online content. People don't like paying for things that they can get for free and if you are keeping the story free online people might not want to pay for the published version. I don't think that there is anything that you can do about this and I think that it is an even worse idea to not keep it free online.
*Is 10k sufficient value-for-money?
- Definitely. Some YA novels are pretty short and people pay $20 in bookstores for those, so I think that the pricing is fine.
*Will you be buying the episode (intention to buy, even when finances may not permit counts as a yes)?
- Yes! I will be buying the episodes, the e-books and if you ever publish physical books, I will buy those as well.
*Any other thoughts/queries/comments/cookies/etc.
- I know it's lame and old fashioned of me but do you have any plans of publishing the books in physical form? I don't mind reading things online, but I still think that nothing beats a real book.
"You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis
Definitely planning on buying :)
Not only do I want the books - but I know for certain that my wife will go bananas over this story - the only reason I haven't gotten her to read it (in spite of many attempts) is because it is web serialised and 'the web is for lolcats' ;)
Don't forget the lolAgents.
...what's she going to say when she finds out that Stef speaks fluent lolcat? O_O
Reality is a formality.
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